So... this Motor Trend show was garbage

"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4)
12/11/2017 at 00:30 • Filed to: None

But at least the last episode further proved a point: Front wheel drive drag cars are a monumentally stupid oxymoron.

Who wins? The guy with the most horsepower? The guy with the biggest drag slicks? The guy with the best aero setup?

Nope, it’s the only guy with an AWD setup... because physics you morons.

DISCUSSION (24)

bob and john > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 00:45

And like most civic drivers, someone fucked up a shift

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 00:49

I saw at least 1 broken car at the end of the race and one broke before the race.

So with only 2/7 breaking, I must say I’m genuinely impressed. It’s cool that they gave him a tuned Si at the end though.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > bob and john
12/11/2017 at 00:49

and another shift and another shift and another shift. Even then, nobody was gonna catch the awd guy, he won by like 1/3 the length of the track.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
12/11/2017 at 00:53

It’s not even an SI, it’s just a Sport.

I have another burner, try to guess it! > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 01:39

“Front wheel drive drag cars are a monumentally stupid oxymoron”

Not Optimal =/= oxymoron

Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 01:45

Is there a form of racing where FWD is naturally superior? I guess tray racing, but it’s kinda a requirement.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition
12/11/2017 at 02:07

I don’t know that there’s anywhere where it’s absolutely superior, but there have been some crazy fast EF civics at Bathurst and in World Time Attack.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition
12/11/2017 at 03:01

The Super Touring class in the 1990s. 2 liter production body 2WD saloons, originated in BTCC in 1990, replaced Group A in most global touring car series. The class that brought you this:

On introduction RWD cars carried a weight penalty because everyone “knew” RWD would be faster. By year 3 that penalty was gone. From year 4 till it ended EVERY championship winner was FWD.

Basically I think it came down to relatively sane power to weight ratio, more manufacturers with FWD platforms they wanted to sell, and enough doorbanging that stable handling was important.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 03:07

I’ve done drag racing once and it’s exciting in person while driving a vehicle. It’s not particularly interesting watching the event whatsoever. It’s boring as hell, tbh

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 03:07

While FWD isn’t optimal, I definitely haven’t had any issues running “superior” rwd cars into the ground myself. 99% of owning a powerful FWD is knowing how to drive it, knowing how to setup an suspension and tire pressures. FWDs on radials have been 9s multiple times. It’s definitely not impossible.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 06:59

Ricers galore.....

interstate366, now In The Industry > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru
12/11/2017 at 08:19

Shh...this is a circle jerk and nobody in it wants to hear logic!

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition
12/11/2017 at 08:30

Anything low-hp (like sub-200) will tend to favour FWD cars due to the reduced drivetrain loss. If you look at the lowest classes of racing, especially rally, FDWD cars tend to do a lot better.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > interstate366, now In The Industry
12/11/2017 at 08:34

I’m not trying to turn this into a RWD masterrace argument, I’m just pointing out that this is the worst application for FWD cars.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 08:49

Nah, that would be drifting :P Seriously though, I don’t disagree that FWD is at a physical disadvantage, but it can be overcome in other areas. It just wasn’t in these particular circumstances.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires
12/11/2017 at 10:13

Plus the FWD car tend to be lighter. Not that that’s a rule. A Miata is a lot lighter than a Mk4 Golf.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
12/11/2017 at 10:19

Agreed. All else being equal, a FWD drivetrain can be made lighter than a RWD one. So, a FWD Miata would be lighter than a RWD one :)

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 10:34

I don’t get these monster Civics. Why take an economy FWD hatchback and do this to it?

interstate366, now In The Industry > Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!!
12/11/2017 at 10:47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fast_and_the_Furious_(2001_film)

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > interstate366, now In The Industry
12/11/2017 at 11:40

I’m familiar. Drove my yellow CRX to opening night, actually. Still pointless.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition
12/11/2017 at 12:03

I totally read that as “ray tracing”. /computer graphics geek

interstate366, now In The Industry > Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!!
12/11/2017 at 12:10

I’ve been defending FWD in the thread, but I actually agree with you.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > interstate366, now In The Industry
12/11/2017 at 12:28

I really can’t explain how impressed I was with these two cars this year:

Kinja'd!!!

They both made me want an EF Civic, which is tough considering the stereotype that ricer-bros have given them.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/11/2017 at 14:47

Yes. This is how Hondas should be tracked.